Wednesday, January 21, 2009

Propaganda

Oddly - bizarrely, even - timed noamian treatment of Old American Establishment influence on Hollywood movies. It is certainly true that the Establishment will use all its weapons, including propaganda, but what happens when all the propaganda outlets are controlled by traitors working for a foreign entity?

Why are they telling us this? Ha! - Immigrant Absorption Ministry!

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hmm,

Don't understand your last sentence, Xymph.
Help me to understand guys. I am not American.

5 dancing shlomos said...

"what happens when all the propaganda outlets are controlled by traitors working for a foreign entity?)

we get lies, lies, lies, distortions. the victim becomes the guilty. the guilty becomes the victim. truth becomes lie and lie becomes truth. and the culture devolves.

5 dancing shlomos said...

machetes, hatchets, eyeball gougers, blowtorches and joan of arc torches.

time for truth and execution commissions.

jewcons, jewpets, and the plain old greedy, your time for justice is here. no mercy for your kind. mercy is not justice.

Anonymous said...

oh! Speaking of propaganda; the era of innocent Black Americans is soooo over!:
"Barack Obama and the African American as World Citizen"
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=991&Itemid=1

Yay! No white guilt!

5 dancing shlomos said...

well, new day in amurderka. all is clean. new snow purified the land.

the savages of squatland and their savagery will be forgotten. forgiveness was given before the sins were completed.

muslims (and russia), do not be fooled. remember lines from some song, "new boss same as old asshole".

Ken Hoop said...

Not a good chance Obama will ignore "national reconciliation" and "unity" and pursue myriad war crimes and illegal police state tactics committed by the Bush Adminstration's neocons.

b said...

The ADL's Foxman says he's really iffy about portraying "fighting Jews" in the film Defiance. Like maybe the whole thing was a propaganda mistake? Yeah right.

skraeling said...

Judicial-inc.org is marred by every "anti-Semitic" error in the book, from an unforgivable love of Hitler to a long losing battle with spelling and grammar. Nonetheless its monitoring of Jewish foibles and crimes is backed up with mainstream reports and carries the ring of truth for those well-read in the antics of the chosen criminals of god. And that guy says Bielski came to America, changed his name to Bell, and took advantage of an elderly Polish woman as part of an elder-exploitation con. I suspected something with the Defiance film when I realized how purely Kosher this product is, and that it would mention not a bit of Polish resistance. Jews really, really hate the Poles, even though it was actually the Poles who resisted the Nazis and who invited the Jews, who did not really fight the Nazis and never formed their own organizations, to join their Polish resistance organizations. But of course in the film it is Jews who invented electricity and shoes, and if we see any Polacks I bet money it's a Slavic untermensch traitor who sells out his Jewish neighbors.

skraeling said...

I've got a pamphlet from the 50s from the London office of a Polish group, compelled to print the thing because of what they felt was a terrifying, mysterious and unfounded Jewish anti-Polonist campaign. It described smears (similar to smears used by Jews against other groups), gave evidence of fair treatment of Jews by Poles (similar to others stories elsewhere of how you know what the entire world has not been on a long war against Jews, etc), and gave riotous examples of Jewish behavior that rhymes perfectly with our modern weird-ass Jew behavior and which can really only come from a totally believed belief that you are somehow better than everyone else.

Rowan Berkeley said...

judicial.inc, omg

Anonymous said...

Sometimes I just want to hit Noam Chomsky with a telephone book or sack of oranges but he really did do a bang up job of summarizing this latest israeli crime against humanity in his
"Exterminate all the Brutes": Gaza 2009 article.
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/20316

Anonymous said...

Henry Siegman
Israel’s Lies
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n02/sieg01_.html

Anonymous said...

Siegman's article lays out Israel's lies concerning the Gaza invasion very concisely. However, he reinforces the meme of international Islamic Jihad terrorism which I believe is at its root a creation of the West to replace the cold war with Russia.

I would also argue that Haganah was a terrorist organization, so to say that Hamas is not more a terrorist organization than the Zionist movements were is misleading, a bit of a slight of hand. Hamas is a defensive organization, Haganah & Irgun were offensive. Hamas should be viewed as any local group resisting occupation by the means available to them. It should be remembered that military servers is mandatory in Israel and includes woman as well as men, making their entire adult population potential soldiers, potential targets.

Evie

Anonymous said...

'servers' should be 'service'.

traducteur said...

Well said, Evie.

Rowan Berkeley said...

I would stress that the entire concept of 'islamists' is completely spurious. The comparison may be banal, but if the USA were resisting invasion, would the resistants be referred to generally as 'christianists'?

Anonymous said...

"...would the resistants be referred to generally as 'christianists'?" - No, but then Christianity as generally practiced in the States isn't as outwardly invasive as Islam (as practiced in the ME), and by that I mean for example, Christianity doesn't proscribe set times for public prayer or woman covering as Islam does. So I can understand why Islamist is used though I agree it's banal.

Evie

Anonymous said...

Thanks, T.

Anonymous said...

Don’t men have to cover up too in Islam?

God told Bush to invade Iraq.

Jesuits.

And Eastern European Judaism laid claim to a land through divine right.

Anonymous said...

The last one is the ultimate outwardly invasive act if you give it some thought because it forced almost the entire diaspora community to comply with the new religious mantra of Israel first.

Anonymous said...

From http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10226.shtml

"One soldier brought me outside and another came out and asked the first one where the rest of my family was," Mohamed al-Atar said. "Then he suggested to the soldier that they bring us all outside, line us up against the wall and shoot us. He said they didn't care which houses had people in them. I thought they were going to kill us all."

When Mohamed al-Atar returned, he found the body of his son left rotting among the family's now decimated orange groves. He had been shot.

The inside of their house was smeared with graffiti in Hebrew. The Star of David, an icon of both the Jewish faith and the Israeli state, was spray-painted on the hallways. The toilets had been blasted with grenades, and the floor was blanketed with Israeli food wrappers and bullet shells.

In a farming area near Beit Hanoun cows lie dead across an entire field, some ripped open by shrapnel and others simply crushed by tanks. The corpses of donkeys, horses, goats and chickens line the streets.

lobro said...

Islam is invasive and Christianity is not if you use a skewed definition of invasiveness.

Christian proselytizers of the ugliest, most obnoxious kind are aggressively spreading into Russia, China, Africa and Latin America, the kind that set up storefront churches where people are exhorted to roll on the floor yammering incoherent bullshit ... this is not invasive?
See any mosques and madrassas going up side by side?

Meanwhile the Chabad meth, I mean youth, 'outreach' centers are inflicted on the most abjectly poor and oppressed places like Kinshasa and Tegucigalpa, recruiting material for rabbis' pedophile inclinations ...
yeah, Islam is invasive.

Anonymous said...

Simmer down there lobro. Islam is more invasive/proscribed than Christianity. Nowhere in Christianity does it say you have to preform anything like the five pillars of Islam nor does Christianity have dietary laws (well maybe you mackerel snackers do, but that's the pope's fault, Luther knew better). And men do not have to cover in the same way woman do (Anonymous)

And I didn't say a thing about the joos, so that's a bit of a strawman

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

Evie, I recall trying to explain that the SOCIAL AND GENDER-ROLE DIFFERENCES are not essentially due to religion at all, but are due to the relatively recent urbanisation and disruption of village life, which had exactly the same effect on christian peasant populations in europe when they were driven off the land in the late middle ages.

traducteur said...

Nothing wrong with mackerel, either. Slather the fillets with mustard, sprinkle liberally with capers, and bake in the oven. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it, it's the greatest.

lobro said...

it's your choice with Islam, whereas Xians will pester you all the way to grave that you might convert, so you and I clearly have different notions of what constitutes invasion of privacy.

I never had a Muslim accost me on account of my faith, did you?

Yet we, the civilized "westerners" persist in invading their lands, by way of violence and cultural insult, proclaiming moral superiority at every turn that justifies destruction of their society.

By way of personal example, I had the opportunity to listen to three different American women indignantly narrate how when they visited Zanzibar, a conservative Muslim island, they were told to cover up their nakedness when venturing outside resorts and how one refused, citing women's right to expose bare ass wherever the hell they choose.
I guess she just said No to invasiveness.

Ken Hoop said...

Evie

6:44 AM, January 22, 2009


Laurie comes close to that old Birch Society meme , eh Berkeley--except she wraps all the Jihad up as a "Western" (that is, European)
creation--America, as Yockey having pinpointed, no longer being a member of the "West" by the period of the 1930s...

Oh well, well meant imitation is the sincerest form of "Nimmoism."

Ken Hoop said...

Evie
9:03 AM, January 22, 2009

Berkeley, you at least oughta inform your overly sensitive mentor that there is no longer a Christian America-just a post-Christian America.

Anonymous said...

I feel Rowan has revealed the filter through which Evie has formulated HER arguement.

I don't think Lobro is over-sensitive he's just frustrated at having to point out an obvious fact.

Anonymous said...

Interesting,

EU lifts ban on MKO.

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=83357&sectionid=351020101

Anonymous said...

Great Finkelstein, aside from a Noamian moment

US taxpayer

Anonymous said...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/10267

there it is

US taxpayer

Anonymous said...

The whole Finkelstein video is a Noamian moment.

"I never had a Muslim accost me on account of my faith, did you?" - yes. I had a mullha tell me my skirt was too short (it came just above my knee - hardly an a** show), I've had a little girl call out to a girl friend and I as we walked to a souk "haraam", a friend was told he was dirty because he has a dog. These folks are every bit as crazy as the babbling Christians you refer to. And whether you'll admit it or not Islam has more little rules to apply to everyday life than does Christianity. Islam is closer to the Hasidim in that way. A yoke is a yoke whether it's called Islam or Christianity and only a yokel will put one on. Judaism is a state of mental disorder.

Rowan, I do remember you saying this but the fact remains it is where Islam is today that we have to deal with, not where it's going to be in a couple of hundred years.

Anonymous, I believe Hoopister was tongue in cheek when he called me Rowans mentor ;-) so your observation is correct...nice of you to catch on.

Evie

Anonymous said...

What is "nimmoism"?

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

there is no "you" which "have to deal with Islam", Evie -- fortunately for both you and them.

Rowan Berkeley said...

Kurt Nimmo is a great guy, after all he invented the term "al CIA-duh". He just pursues a rather nonsensical analysis, because he is totally confused about the meanings on different levels of thought and reality that 'left' and 'right' refer to. It is certainly confusing stuff, and most Merkins whether 'educated' or 'uneducated' are confused by it.

Anonymous said...

Oh, in other words, Nimmo is just a blind man making his way though life by feel...works for me.

At least on don't put on airs (or not many) of sophistication...Hoopsiter.

Evie

Anonymous said...

Evie,

Islam and Muslims are two different things.

Rowan Berkeley said...

What I wanted to stress was that societies go through very clear and comprehensible moral changes whentheir populations are forced out of their villages into towns and cities. The traditional system of arranged marriages breaks down, and large numbers of sexually frustrated young single men appear, compounding every possible moral problem. It is wrong to blame subjective factors such as religious belief for this concrete set of facts, though certainly religion (or politics, or avant garde art, or mental content of some other sort) will fill the minds of the unfortunate people affected, so it will become 'part of the symptom', so to speak.

Anonymous said...

Rowan Berkeley,

So village people are underdeveloped than city people?

Rowan Berkeley said...

that is a very stupid and obvious attempt to put stupid and in fact completely meaningless, though offensive, words in my mouth. I suggest you adopt a more effective troll approach, anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Mormons are Christians, are they not?

Jehovah's Witnesses?

If they are, there goes your argument, Evie.

stevieb

Ken Hoop said...

As there are no souks in America, Laurie's comments on Islam are about as appropriate as Glenn's attacks on Neturi Karta.

Ken Hoop said...

A Berkeley reverie posted over at Mondoweiss shows him slightly bristling at the German nationalist
rally for Palestine about which he
thankfully reported on his own blog.

Anonymous said...

It didn't happen in America doofus.


By some, Mormans & Jwitnesses are considered cults.

"Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon is another scriptural witness of Jesus Christ that is comparable to the Bible" - do you honestly think Christians would agree with this?

Jehovah witnesses: "The organization's teachings and practices diverge greatly from traditional Christian theology, which has caused several major Christian denominations to denounce the group as either a cult or heretical sect.

So Stevieb my argument still stands.

Evie

Ken Hoop said...

You've got an inordinate concern about Europe's problems for someone who resides in America with an American outlook except when you're fretting about Minneapolis cab drivers.

Anonymous said...

Troy Southgate:

Q. What we could call the nationalist movement, understood as different organizations and people dedicated to preserving and developing the heritage of their own ethnic group, are as diverse as their adversaries, if not even more so. One difference of intense dispute is religion. Do you think that pre-Christian beliefs, Existentialism, Vitalism, Gnosticism, conservative Christianity could form a sort of eclectic choice of faith for regenerating European spirit where the different individual faiths could unite into a spiritual force able to ignite action on a political level?

As Tomislav Sunic points out in Against Democracy & Equality (Noontide Press, 2004), the reason Liberalism and Marxism have been so successful is due to the fact that their core values – namely universalism, egalitarianism, totalitarianism and a belief in the linear interpretation of history – were, paradoxically, originally derived from the intolerant dualism and individual subjectivity found within Judeo-Christianity and then conveniently spread by way of the Roman Empire. Monotheistic religions are a major threat to both regional and cultural identity, not to mention spiritual diversity. Indeed, whilst I could accept Jesus Christ or Allah as localised deities, or even as part of a pantheon of gods, I dislike the way Christianity and Islam each seek to create their own metaphysical version of the New World Order. Likewise, whilst in reality ancient paganism is far more holistic, Muslims and Christians consider the rest of us to be heretics. At the same time, however, if people can put their liturgical, scriptural and doctrinal beliefs to one side in pursuit of an ideal through which several key principles can be ignited as one force, then it is possible to make progress. I think it’s a case of using the correct language within a specific framework that everybody can feel comfortable with. So it’s far more positive to encourage a forum that deals with the revival of European identity, for example, than one which finds itself preoccupied with the question of whether Jesus was really the son of God. People can work together, but only if they leave their divisive baggage at the door and enter forth in a spirit of open-mindedness.

Evie

Anonymous said...

The Link

Evie

Ken Hoop said...

They write as Europeans. They oppose America's influence in Europe and would not be bothered by Islam bogging America down in the Middle East and here, were there ample Muslims to do the trick. This is also why when Pound advocated a blend of Christian paganism he did so as an expatriate and from Europe. They, like me are not opposed to the splintering of the Empire, even if its home base splinters.

Rowan Berkeley said...

I know Troy Southgate personally, Evie: he's actually very nice, but he does tend to see himself as a political organiser.

Anonymous said...

Cool. here is an interview of Robert Steuckers by T.S. Any thoughts? I wonder if Dugan is borrowing a page from Dostoievski's book?

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

Dugin, darling, Alexander Dugin. Last seen roaming the blasted heaths of Ossetia with a very good-looking girl in camos.

Anonymous said...

Fine but that doesn't answer the question.
Evie

Hubris said...

Lenni Brenner,
Zionism in the Age of Dictators

for those that wish to know more about Judeo-Polish relations in pre-war Poland. It's the whole book, online, fer FREE!

Xenophile said...

Xymphora,

JS is killing your forum. Please consider returning to plain vanilla Haloscan.

BTW, the comments are still available through google; one only has to append the name of your favorite poster or topic in the following format, e.g.:

smekhovo xymphora site:www.haloscan.com

Rowan Berkeley said...

One thing old Hoopster is still good for is scouring the russian nationalist press, in various languages I suspect, so if we ask him nicely, Evie, maybe he will tell us what the mystical Dugin is doing now.

Ken Hoop said...

If Laurie continues to Euro-Russianize her influences, she perhaps will adopt a more correct view of America's proper place in the world and as an American comment more acutely on Islam and native movements which tend to devolve Empire power.

Anonymous said...

Ken, 8:37 PM, January 23, 2009 - I'll say this for you Ken you're consistent. You're not terrible critical of the Jews but I never seen you suck up to them either.

Traducteur told me about McLuhan's The Gutenberg Galaxy which I've only just started reading but an interesting idea he has is that the printed phonic word took the magic and group response/identity out of words and made them into visual/neutral/individual/liberal, ideas, not passionate,audio, tribal, action. This was the difference between the illiterate(non phonic words) oral traditional East and the literate, phonic, formal logic (Starting with Socrates) West. If you consider Russian being still a more oral society and if you think about possible alliance to break Western homogenization anyone but Europe would be better for Russia to ally with unless Europe goes Islamic (which will probably happen because Liberal Europeans [& Americans, we'll go Latino] would rather play then reproduce and take on that responsibility).

Moeller van den Bruck was quite right that Liberalism is always the final disease of a people.

Do you have any thoughts on the Dugins' borrowing from Dostoievski? Apparently Rowan doesn't.

Evie

lobro said...

Dugin borrowed Dostoevsky's beard, actually handed down first to Solzhenitzin, then Dugin, with similar devolution of intellectual content.

Russian beard will ride on like El Cid to liberate Russia from Khazar pestilence.

Anonymous said...

Best answer yet :-)

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

The visual image over-rides the verbal commentary, just as in the model you describe the verbal commentary neutralises the aural (heard by ear) tradition, Evie, and this should alert one to the fact that pictures often say the opposite of the accompanying voice-over. However, to understand the true trickiness of the sensory registers and their complicated psychological relationship to one another, I recommend Lacan. One word of advice: do not try to "make sense of him". His peculiar writing method, like that of the proverbial zen master or sufi sage, is to slip the ideas he wants to communicate into your mind by means of exhausting and misdirecting it.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Rowan

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

yes, well, I suppose I could have put that better. But McLuhan hinself in his later work goes on to say much the same thing: for reasons to do with the way our minds are built, so to speak, we have a big bit of brain that only believes what it 'sees', but is unable to distinguish between fabricated visuals (as in a Hollywood movie or for that matter in TV 'news') and actual, personally observed, events. Thus, in fact, the modern soundtrack is merely there to keep you receptive to the images.

Anonymous said...

So could movies 'implant' false memories? I mean if a person really wanted to believe something a movie/image could 'plant' it?

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

I think that whether or not they want to believe some proposition, as expressed in words, there is a big part of the brain which will believe it anyway, if it sees it depicted realistically, while in a receptive and uncritical mood. Maybe one could do some experiments to test this, but they wouldn't be much fun: for instance, one could present people with contradictory stories, both told in completely convincing looking visual cinema verite. Then one would create a test situation in which the subject would have to choose, and see whether they became effectively paralysed, because the conflicting urges they felt were visually rather than verbally based and thus not accessible to internal reasoning. I think this has actually happened with Holocaust imagery.

May I recommend the original novel, "The Manchurian Candidate", by Richard Condon (a lifelong Hollywood scriptwriter, and a Jew)? I think the book is inimitable. I also think that neither of the movie versions can do justice to this novel, because all commercial films work by visual seduction, which undercuts the point the story is trying to make about brainwashing.

Rowan Berkeley said...

here's sumpn 4 ya evie:

Ezra POUND: America, Roosevelt and the Causes of the Present War
Venise, 1944. London, Peter Russell, 1951, 33 pp., 200K
http://www.aaargh.com.mx/fran/livres8/PoundCausesofWar.pdf

"This war was not caused by any caprice on Mussolini's part, nor on Hitler's. This war is part of the secular war between usurers and peasants, between the usurocracy and whomever does an honest day's work with his own brain or hands. I don't know how many books one may have to read in order to understand this simple sentence."

In this period of crisis, it could be useful to return to the "fundamentals", as indicated by Ezra Pound: The following are some of the sources at which the student may be able to slake a little of the curiosity that I hope this pamphlet will have stimulated.
Georg OBST, Das Bankgeschäft, C.E. Poeschel Verlag, Stuttgart.
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/pound_ezra/present.html (11 of 33)5.4.2006 12:27:02
ARISTOTLE, Politics.
Claudius Salmasius, De Modo Usurarum, Elzevier, Lugd. Bat. (Leyden), 1639.
Claudius Salmasius, De Foenore Trapezitico, Joannis Maire, Lugd. Bat., 1640.
Histoire Générale de la Chine ou Annales de cet Empire, traduites du Tong-Kien-
Kang-Mou, par le feu père Joseph Anne-Marie de Moyriac De Mailla [or de
Moyria de Maillac], Paris, 1777-83, 12 volumes [or 1777-85, 13 volumes].
T. Louis Camparette, "The Reorganization of the Municipal Administration under
the Antonines," American Journal of Philology, Vol. XXVII, No. 2.
The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States: with A Life of
the Author, notes and illustrations, by his Grandson, Charles Francis Adams.
Little, Brown & Co., Boston, 1850-56.
The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Memorial Edition, XX volumes, Washington, 1903-4.
The Autobiography of Martin Van Buren, written in 1854 and remaining in
manuscript until its publication as Vol. II of the "Annual Report of the American
Historical Association for the year 1918," Govt. Print. Off., Washington, 1920.
Claude G. BOWERS, Jefferson and Hamilton, Houghton Mifflin, Boston, 1925.
Willis A. OVERHOLSER, A Short Review and Analysis of the History of Money in
the United States, published by the author, Libertyville, Ill., 1936.
Odon POR, Politica economico-sociale in Italia. Anno XVII-XVIII. Florence,
1940. [English translation by Ezra Pound : Italy's Policy of Social Economics,
1939-40, Bergamo, 1941.]

Anonymous said...

Wow, thanks Rowan. I sheepishly say that I do have scans of all six of the money pamphlets, I just haven't read them yet...ooouch, too much blogging.

I'm not seeing where you got the bibliography from or are they your suggestions? If I read all that and remembered it, I'd be something.

Evie

Rowan Berkeley said...

the people at AAARGH cut it out and pasted it along with their download link, I dunno why. I read the first two pamphlets in the pdf file (it contains several), and they are interesting and go into more detail about Pound's monetary ideas than I have seen elsewhere online. He talks about Silvio Gesell and Major Douglas as his sources, and both were quite popular among anti-plutocrats or whatever we should call this type of thing.