Tuesday, February 17, 2009

Old School 2

William Turner on Arthur Bremer, the guy who attempted to kill Wallace, or at least the patsy for that attempt (bullet number discrepancies - shades of the RFK assassination - and the fact that Bremer said he did it for the publicity, and hasn't said a word since, either at the trial or later, makes one wonder), now out on parole:
"My investigation in Milwaukee determined that Bremer had a close association with a group of "Jesus Freaks" with a red, white and blue "Jesus Saves" bumper sticker. In other words pro-Nixon. This becomes interesting in light of the RFK case. Shortly after his assassination I inteviewed a fundamentalist free-lance preacher named Jerry Owen, The Walking Bible. He claimed he picked up Sirhan hitchhiking the day before the election and was to deliver a race track pony to him at the Ambassador Hotel on election night. To make a long story short - my book "The Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy" recounts it in full - we determined that Owen had a pre-existing custodial relationship with Sirhan. In 1975 Owen sued a TV station that had disclosed the relationship, and he had a devoted follower named Gail Aiken ready as a character witness at the trial. Imagine his surprise when Vince Bugliosi, primed by us, asked Owen if Aiken was'nt Arthur Bremer's sister. With that Aiden was harriedly sent back to Florida where her brother, William Bremer Jr., had been convicted of fraud. William's attorney was Ellis Rubin, who represented the Miami Four in the Watergate prosecutions."

and, further down the same thread, by Pat Speer:
"One of the things that really struck me about Owen's story was that, as I remember it, his alibi for the night of the assassination was Slapsy Maxie Rosenbloom, a business partner of Mickey Cohen's. Cohen hated Robert Kennedy almost as much as Hoffa. Cohen was also close to Belli, Ruby's attorney, and had dated Candy Barr, who'd work for Ruby. Was this just a coincidence?"

Here's an unconvincing attack on Turner by a Posner-style conspiracy debunker. Of course, the details of Owen's story are irrelevant. The key question is why is a guy volunteering himself into the Sirhan Sirhan story, a guy whose close associate is Arthur Bremer's sister? The use of phony preacher as an intelligence cover has a precedent in the amazing story of Albert Alexander Osborne.

More old school ruminations to come.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...


Xymphora: You claimed that 6,000,000 Jews "killed" by the Nazis, BUT you never commented on the discrepancy mentioned below. Have you thought about it yet?

THE NAZIS NEVER GASSED A SINGLE JEW.

A little investigation makes this clear.

For a start you should consider this:

In 1990, the Jew HolyCo$t Lie Changed:

From 1948, till 1990, the Auschwitz subsection of the HolyCo$t fable was:

Number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz = 3,000,000
Total Number of people killed at Auschwitz = 4,000,000

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1948.jpg
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1948.gif

From 1990, till the present, the Auschwitz subsection of the HolyCo$t fable has been:

Number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz = 1,000,000
Total Number of people killed at Auschwitz = 1,500,000

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1990deutsch.jpg
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1990.gif

And,... Check out this Jew Math.

From 1948, till 1990, the overall number of Jews supposedly killed by the Nazis was 6,000,000

In 1990, the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz was reduced from 3,000,000 to 1,000,000

So, you would think that the overall number of Jews killed would also have been reduced to

6,000,000 - 2,000,000 = 4,000,000

But not at all,...

From 1990, till the present, the Jews have continued to claim that the overall number of Jews killed by the Nazis is 6,000,000

You see, for the Jews, any LIE that is believed, is a good LIE.

Even if the LIE is as stupid as the one I have just pointed out.

Here are a few of articles that may help explain what happened:

So, why do people believe in the holocaust, anyway?
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/why-believe.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/why-believe.htm

A Quick Proof that the Holocaust Story is a Lie.
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/jew-math.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/jew-math.htm

The Jews Declare War on Germany (in 1933).
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/jews-declare-war.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/jews-declare-war.htm

Death Certificates issued at Auschwitz.
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/auschwitz-data.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/auschwitz-data.htm

Xenophile said...

"Western Democracy" seems to be the rule of, by and to torturers, hypocrites, thieves, murderers, war criminals, drug dealers, propagandists, lobbyists and select other sociopaths.

All societies whose ruling class does not value "honor" above material gain, and above life itself, have no future.




Whitehall devised torture policy for terror detainees

MI5 interrogations in Pakistan agreed by lawyers and government


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/16/pakistan-torture-mi5-agent-binyam


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Laurie said...

My pleasure Xeno.

The six pamphlets I posted were Pound’s original. The first three were written in English and last three in Italian written while in Italy (page 192, (page 193 is very interesting) of the book I mention). The seven of this series was the Selected Radio Speeches add by the publisher Peter Russell. This book looks very good on Pound: THE EZRA POUND ENCYCLOPEDIA (a bit out of my price range at the moment).

Money Pamphlets

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/GR0448.aspx

moonkoon said...

Another financial whoopsie.

"US authorities charged Texas billionaire Allen Stanford and three of his companies with "massive ongoing fraud" on Tuesday as federal agents swooped in on Stanford's US headquarters..."

http://business.smh.com.au/business/stanford-stumped-billionaire-charged-with-massive-ongoing-fraud-20090218-8afp.html?page=-1

sarko said...

The Second Coming

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

WB Yeats

Anonymous said...

Very funny vid.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2697

Anonymous said...

for your information:
debates going on about "revisionism - from both sides of contemporary thinking" "Mark Weber's role - unable or traitor to Ihr?"...
new aproach, new book
Debating the Holocaust: A New Look At Both Sides by Thomas Dalton , Ph.D
---
I am not a revisionist, and I do not endorse their claims. I am a bystander in this debate, observing and commenting on a collision of ideas. This book is not a book of revisionism. It is a book about revisionism, and about two competing views of the truth. It addresses the ability of each side to marshal evidence, and to create a clear and consistent picture of the past.

The revisionist view of events is so shocking, so far from what we have been told, that we have a hard time comprehending its possibility. A colleague once told me that he would be no more shocked to find no Eiffel Tower in Paris than he would to learn that the revisionists were right. Yet we can scarcely avoid asking ourselves this question: Is it really possible that the traditional Holocaust story is wrong? And not merely a little wrong, but significantly and fundamentally flawed? This is for each reader to decide. My objective is not to impose an overall conclusion, but rather to illuminate and articulate the main points, and to comment on their validity. The reader must decide.

I sense a turning point in the debate. It seems to be moving out of the shadows and into the realm of serious and legitimate discourse. Revisionists have strong arguments in their favor, and, despite book burnings and jail terms, they are not going away. Traditionalists seem of late to have lost their momentum. Perhaps they have no more counterarguments. Perhaps they have tired of defending the conflicting stories of survivors and witnesses. Perhaps they have reached the limit of their ability to fashion a comprehensible picture of those tragic events of sixty years ago. The debate will reach a new resolution, and I suspect that the result will be something different than we presume today.---quote by Michael Santomauro

http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=34616
further dowm by M.S.: THE TAMING OF MARK WEBER Feb. 1, 2009
By Bill Guru ...
thanks to 5d anon anon (on previous thread) and billguru1@gmail.com (?)
?Fritz

Anonymous said...

another opinion from: Smith's report
Issue #158 | February 2009
Mark Weber and IHR
Are Not Relevant to Revisionism
By Arthur R. Butz
http://www.codoh.com/newsite/sr/
...

Anonymous said...

Just in the past few years there has been a holocaust of exposures of phony holocaust memoirs. Or was it just since we've started paying attention? Anyway, not only will the Oprah-offending Angel Girl author Herman Rosenblat not be put through anything like what David Irving went through, his story (which was true because it was true in his imagination, he tells Diane Sawyer) is still going to be made into a $26 million movie.
Who are the Jews in charge of HaShoah remembrance? They don't seem to be Meyer Lansky's people. Are they by any chance related to Adam Sandler?

ABC news link

Anonymous said...


Mike Ruppert was (supposedly) one of the 9/11 movements more outspoken leaders, however,...

Mike Ruppert was false opposition in the 9/11 movement.

Rule number one: Infiltrate ALL leadership positions.

On January 15th, 2005, at Kane Hall, on the campus of the University of Washington in Seattle, Ruppert explained to an audience, that although the 9-11 cause is still alive it is no longer useful as a political tool by activists. The window on 9/11 has closed. Simple as that.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011905_university_washington.shtml

The false operative, Mike Ruppert, then tries to stop the investigation of 9/11, from the inside, so to speak.

Mark Weber was (supposedly) one of the Revisionist movements leaders, however,...

Mark Weber was false opposition in the Revisionist movement.

Rule number two: Infiltrate ALL leadership positions.

On January 7, 2009, Mark Weber publishes his article: "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?" In it Weber says; "But there should be no illusions about its social-political relevance. In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."

http://www.ihr.org/weber_revisionism_jan09.html

So all you Revisionists should give up, go home and retire,...

The false operative, Mark Weber, then tries, to stop the investigation of the HolyCo$t, from the inside, so to speak.

Spot the similarities.

Chances are that both Mark Weber and Mike Ruppert are (covert) Jews.

Anonymous said...

Of course, the really big secret of World War Two, is that the Jews put their man at the head of the National Socialist Party.

Rule number three: Infiltrate ALL leadership positions.

Anonymous said...

rule Nr.5: too simple: "all are covert agents"
Ffff

Anonymous said...

Yes, you are right anonymous...Mike Ruppert is a JEW 100% confirmed...i'm not sure about Mark Weber though. Holocaust revisionism is important, no matter how old it gets.

Covert Alibi 1-866-941-2229 said...

Covert Agents. Period. www.CovertAlibi.com.

lobro said...

it strikes me that Allen Stanford may be a banking scapegoat eagerly searched for by the banking nation, whose sacrifice may propitiate the baying mobs.

Anonymous said...

that anonymous above and 2 threads before is an ego-maniac, can be said: everyone meanwhile, not agreeing with his opinion, that all leaders, even of opposition to the system, are covert jews, he smears as a covert jewish agent. not very clever but w/ broad brush nonsense.
SmythFritz

moonkoon said...

Lobro, you are such a doubting Thomas. :-)
Stanford Bank news.
From a blogger's analysis, Jan 2009

"The bank does not take institutional deposits or deposits from other banks...corporate depositors would be expected to do
some due diligence on the bank before committing their money.
...There is one board member, an 85-year-old cattle rancher and used car dealership owner who has the title of “Investments,” so one can presume that he advises some about that...
...What about the stockholders? There is only one..."
...Auditors? ...The auditor is a local (island) firm. The principal is a 72-year-old gentleman who has been auditing the bank for many
years...
...The bank plays an important social role on the island.
The depositors are people from around the world, but perhaps not enough from one place in particular to arouse the interest of a regulatory agency. It is out of their jurisdiction anyway...
...(Stanford) was recently named World’s Finance’s “Man of the Year” for 2008."

http://www.filesavr.com/ducktales (http://dalmady.blogspot.com/)

Nothing to to worry about, respectable chap, in with the cricket crowd and what have you.

"The US financial regulator was today under mounting pressure to explain how Allen Stanford escaped scrutiny despite warnings raised by his employees several years ago...
Dennis Kucinich, ... said today that Congress would investigate the “mechanics of the fraud” to find out why Mr Stanford was able to evade the SEC's clutches for so long."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5772072.ece

"Despite its impressive logos, there was no Stanford company helicopter. Nor was there a $20 million jackpot in the treasure chest that the beaming Texan showed off to the world — "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article5776585.ece

More lurid details here.
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2009/02/19/bush-pioneer-goes-down-drug-money-laundering-scandal.html

He is suspected of laundering drug money. Who would guess you could go broke doing that?
G. Bush gets a mention!

This story has something for everyone.

moonkoon said...

I'm sure we will get to the bottom of it.

lobro said...

Nah ... I will extend my prophecy to a multiple suicide, like he shoots, hangs himself, swallows some cheapass polonium and jumps off a building.

He then kills the rest of his family and writes a letter of contrition explaining how he was driven to evil dealings due to remorseless anti-semitism, and denialist hate speech.

That will give them pretext to go after his remaining assets, the polo horse, etc.

look said...

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