Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Sea bathing, soonish

From the comments (traducteur), this might be a hoax, except the content of the document is incredibly accurate. You can notice it in the air of extreme panic surrounding the American 'lites', who suddenly have a lot to say about the two-state solution, hoping against hope they can sneak that one in before the Jews have to learn how to swim. It is too late. Sales of water wings are soaring in Israel. The JIZ had their chance and they blew it.

Here, in a completely unnecessarily snarky article, is David Irving educating Bishop Williamson on the reality of the Holocaust, along with its misuse by certain parties.

Noam
, who just can't help himself. The accurate reading is that the traitor Jews surrounding Bush decided to have one more kick at the can, hoping to so foul the atmosphere that Obama wouldn't be able to impose peace on the JIZ. Obama knew he couldn't do anything about it, so decided not to waste any political capital complaining about it. Cynical of him, but not proof that he is also part of the Zionist cabal. The secret war against the Jews, of which he is a part (and which I have yet to explain, though I think it is obvious), is proof that the American Empire is no longer rolling with the JIZ.

The only good thing about Canadian university presidents is that the shekels jingling in their pockets means they cannot sneak up behind you. The younger ones might want to consider that the tide of history has already turned, and they really don't want to be on the wrong side of it, shekels notwithstanding.

65 comments:

Hoarsewhisperer said...

The only good thing about Canadian university presidents is that the shekels jingling in their pockets means they cannot sneak up behind you ... unlike Tony Blair; the only audible trace of his hush money being the rustle of burlap being dragged across the floor - and a bit of huffing and puffing.
Tony's not into small-change...unlike so many of the current crop of dime-a-dozen pro-Israel pimps.

lobro said...

during the next fifteen years more than two million Israelis, including some 500,000 Israeli citizens who currently hold US green cards or passports will move to the United States.

they will expel murkins from their suburbs, pollute their swimming pools, chop down plastic flamingos and negroes holding lanterns, a murkin nakba!

grettir said...

Hoarse, Lobro,

Nothing to add, only to congratulate on sharp commentary.

Now where is anonymous to teach his granny how to suck eggs?

Rowan Berkeley said...

Xymph, there is no "secret war against the Jews", and if there was, you wouldn't know about it. There is a move from the more leftish parts of the liberal media to have done with the endless accusations of 'anti-Semitism', which have come to resemble McCarthyism. Whether it will be successful, we shall see: we are in an age of monopoly media control.

Greg Bacon said...

negroes holding lanterns

They won't have to settle for something so 19th Century, they can get REAL people, Americans kicked out of their homes by Wall Street shysters, to stand by the driveway and look sharp for "Massa Moshe."

Ken Hoop said...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Our-economy-cannot-sustain-by-Mary-MacElveen-090224-394.html


a fledgling journo tells the risky truth.

Greg Bacon said...

ADL chief: Pope Bendedict's condemnation of Holocaust denial not enough

By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

Abe Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League, sought to temper the enthusiastic responses expressed by Jewish leaders following their meeting on Thursday with Pope Benedict XVI over the reinstatement of a bishop who denies the Holocaust.

"The problematic and controversial chapter of the church and the matter of Holocaust denial do not end with the pope's declaration condemning Holocaust denial," Foxman told Haaretz.

Foxman, who was present at the meeting in the Vatican, refused to echo the compliments which other Jewish leaders feted the pope over his forceful denunciations of Holocaust denial.

"A meeting between Jews and the pope is always an important, historic event," Foxman said. Yet, "as long as the church allows an anti-Semitic bishop who denies the Holocaust to continue in his post under the aegis of the church, this means that the church is saying one thing yet doing another."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1064000.html

I wonder $$$$$ what Abe $$$$ mean$$$ when he $ay$$$$$ condemnation $$$$$ i$n't enough?$$$$

Olmert apologizes for Virgin Mary television spoof

By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent,

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Sunday said he feels regret, sorrow and disapproval for a comedy show that mocked Christian theology and offended the Vatican.

Government spokesman Mark Regev said Olmert told ministers at a cabinet meeting Sunday the comedy segment was in stark contrast to good relations between Israel and Christians worldwide.

Broadcast recently on a late-night show on the private Channel 10 TV station, the segment mocked the belief that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus walked on water.

The skit was a sarcastic response to the Vatican's rehabilitation of a Catholic bishop who denied the Holocaust took place. The host later apologized for causing offense.

The Vatican issued a statement Friday calling the segment a vulgar and offensive act of intolerance.

In the sketch, Mary is said to have become pregnant at 15, thanks to a schoolmate. It said Jesus could never have walked on water because he was so fat he was ashamed to leave the house, let alone go to the Sea of Galilee with a bathing suit.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1066061.html

The Chosen Ones know JC can't swim since he's currently in up to his neck in a shit pit.

Ken Hoop said...

I doubt at this point many Palestinians or droned Afghanis for that matter place much hope in Barack.

Ken Hoop said...

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/411714/chas_freeman_for_nic_lots_at_stake

test case for Obama.

Anonymous said...


THE NAZIS NEVER GASSED A SINGLE JEW.

A little investigation makes this clear.

For a start you should consider this:

In 1990, the Jew HolyCo$t Lie Changed:

From 1948, till 1990, the Auschwitz subsection of the HolyCo$t fable was:

Number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz = 3,000,000
Total Number of people killed at Auschwitz = 4,000,000

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1948.jpg
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1948.gif

From 1990, till the present, the Auschwitz subsection of the HolyCo$t fable has been:

Number of Jews supposedly killed at Auschwitz = 1,000,000
Total Number of people killed at Auschwitz = 1,500,000

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1990deutsch.jpg
http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/ausplaq1990.gif

And,... Check out this Jew Math.

From 1948, till 1990, the overall number of Jews supposedly killed by the Nazis was 6,000,000

In 1990, the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz was reduced from 3,000,000 to 1,000,000

So, you would think that the overall number of Jews killed would also have been reduced to

6,000,000 - 2,000,000 = 4,000,000

But not at all,...

From 1990, till the present, the Jews have continued to claim that the overall number of Jews killed by the Nazis is 6,000,000

You see, for the Jews, any LIE that is believed, is a good LIE.

Even if the LIE is as stupid as the one I have just pointed out.

Here are a few of articles that may help explain what happened:

So, why do people believe in the holocaust, anyway?
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/why-believe.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/why-believe.htm

A Quick Proof that the Holocaust Story is a Lie.
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/jew-math.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/jew-math.htm

The Jews Declare War on Germany (in 1933).
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/jews-declare-war.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/jews-declare-war.htm

Death Certificates issued at Auschwitz.
http://linux.50webs.org/holocaust/auschwitz-data.htm
http://guardian.ifastnet.com/holocaust/auschwitz-data.htm

James Crow said...

Does anyone really think/believe Obama is not part of the continuum of usfedgovpolicy regarding/concerning the rest of the world? Are them dirty JIZzers gonna get what's coming to them now? Nobody who has anything coming to them is gonna get it. Too narrow a focus apparently narrows the mind until the Big Picture gets all blurry and loses meaning...

Anonymous said...

"Are them dirty JIZzers gonna get what's coming to them now?"

Mr Barack Obama is a Jew.

To understand what happens in the world, you need to know that

Bush, Blair, Obama, Putin, Merkel, Sarkozy, Harper and most other leaders are Jews.

See for yourself (PHOTOS):

http://linux.50webs.org/jews/JewLeaders.htm

And while you are looking,... try this 2.2 MB mega-photo of Rabbis and politicians:

http://linux.50webs.org/jews/images/small/index.html

Although not included in the photos,... Obama is also a Jew.

Here is a picture of Obama's Jew Momma:

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/obamasjewmomma.jpg

Here is a picture of Obama's wife's cousin. The rabbi Capers C. Funnye:

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/obamaswifescousinisrabbi.jpg

And here is a photo of Obama himself wearing a skullcap.

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2009/01/obamajew.jpg

Even Germany and Austria have Jew presidents/Prime Ministers:

It is hardly necessary to hide away ones Jew roots at all.

For example, the Austrian President didn't even bother to change his Jewish name, Heinz-Fischer:

http://cleveland.indymedia.org/uploads/2008/12/austrianpresidentthejewheinzfischer.jpg

At least the German Prime Minister changed her Jewish name Angela Kasner, to Angela Merkel.

It is usual for Jews to own every horse in the electoral race, i.e., every candidate is a (covert) Jew.

Examples are, the 2000, 2004, 2008 American elections.

Anonymous said...

Is Bishop Richard Williamson Jew false opposition?

It looks more and more like this is the case.

Both Irving and Zundel are false opposition.

David Irving and Ernst Zundel are both (covert) Jews.

As you may know, Zündel, Sundel, Zendel, Zengel, Stundel, Sindell etc are all Polish Jew names. Zündel was a publisher, a profession that the Jews have a strangle-hold on. Zündel's cause is pimped by well known operatives of the Jew false opposition.

Zundel, managed to be charged for publishing a book, "Did Six Million Really Die?," that he never wrote. Publishers are not held responsible for what others write.

The court cases were just games that Jews play to influence opinion.

Owning both sides of the case ensures the "correct" outcome.


If he really wanted to escape the charge, he could have. However, he didn't want to escape the charge.

Irving is a Jew name. But more importantly, Irving's actions (like going to Austria to get arrested when he had no real reason to go) and the articles on his web site are clear evidence that the dude is Jew false opposition.

In fact, Irving's mother's maiden name is Dolman, a Jewish name. Apparently, Irving has admitted being of Jew descent to various people. In any case, Irving's actions and writings show him to be false opposition.

Irving was probably paid a reasonable sum for the months he spent in prison.

lobro said...

why am i thinking that godsend hasn't been around in a while?

Paulbe said...

why am i thinking that godsend hasn't been around in a while?

Raptured?

Anonymous said...


Ever wondered why the Pope bows to the nobody, Abe Foxman.

IS THE POPE CATHOLIC?

Most people get this question wrong.

In fact, the Pope is NOT a Catholic, he is a (covert) Jew.

Ever wonder why Popes wear a Jewish skullcap?

Ever wondered why the Pope would so forcefully push the HolyCo$t myth, which is so obviously a lie?

Ever wondered why the Pope would sack a Bishop for believing a different version of history?

Ever wondered why the Pope would say that attacking Jews and Judaism was the same as an attack on the Church?

Ever wondered why the Pope would listen to the Jew Angela Merkel (German prime minister).

The fact is that many Popes have been (secret) Jews, as is Benedict XVI, as was John Paul II.

Rule Number 8: Infiltrate ALL leadership positions, especially those of your enemy.

Anonymous said...


Some people can not accept the obvious, that Tony Blair really is a (covert) Jew Mason.

"Blair was born at the Queen Mary Maternity Home[1] in Edinburgh, Scotland on 6 May 1953,[2] the second son of Leo and Hazel Blair (née Corscadden). Leo Blair, the illegitimate[3] son of two English actors, had been adopted by a Glasgow shipyard worker named James Blair and his wife Mary as a baby. Hazel Corscadden was the daughter of George Corscadden, a butcher and Orangeman who had moved to Glasgow in 1916 but returned to (and later died in) Ballyshannon in 1923, where his wife Sarah Margaret née Lipsett gave birth to Blair's mother Hazel above her family's grocery shop.[4][5] The Lipsett family in Donegal supposedly originated with a German Jewish immigrant to Ireland prior to the 18th century."

Anonymous said...

kosher spam

Fritz said...

B.Obama looks now more like a personality created by the media, a copy of JFK and MLKing; anyway what could he do with American mainland being ruined by Wallstreet speculators, and eventually he will be blamed for that.

And David Irving has good merits in writing history, (other than anonymous- extending his mixture and repeating above), Irving is giving tactical advice to the Bishop, if that article with private e-mails is genuine.
For simple people like myself, this is a virtual media world, were history is fabricated in the media, gaining money is highest value, and real people are not respected by the media educated fools of modern world who seek paradise in supermarkets paid with credit cards.
just forget it.

Anonymous said...


The Jew David Irving said: 'I am keeping out of this. (Showing his ability to lie in your face, he then precedes to wade right into it.) My advice, which you might like to pass to His Excellency (the Jew Pope), is to accept that there were organised mass killings from the spring of 1942 to October 1943 at Himmler's three sites on the Bug River -- Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec; there is much dispute over numbers and methods of killing, but he should not dispute that there were such killings. (Realizing that the Jew version of the Auchswitz myth is looking very shabby, the Jew Irving changes the topic to these lesser know camps.)

The Jew David Irving then trots out the latest Jew standard, that it doesn't matter how many were killed, even one innocent Jew is too many,... 'His Excellency (the Jew Pope) might add that the numbers involved are irrelevant: the killing of any innocent is a crime, in wartime or in peace....' Blah, blah, blah.

So one dead Jew is too many, but a thousand dead Arabs is OK. Yeah, Jews suck.

The Jew David Irving shows his Jew mentality in spades (meaning that his lies coincide with the standard Jew lies of the day).

Anonymous said...

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/22/obama-israel-holocaust-durban-opinions-contributors_united_nations.html

Rowan Berkeley said...

I sitll find all this racist spam disgusting, and I consider Xymphora not to be 'sophisticated and tolerant and worldly-wise' for leaving it up, but just cowardly.

Greg Bacon said...

The Jew David Irving shows his Jew mentality in spades (meaning that his lies coincide with the standard Jew lies of the day).

Anon, where's your blog? Why don't you put up a link to your blog so we can read some ORIGINAL thoughts from you?

Or would we discover that your blog's ISP is in Israel?

It seems you're getting desperate, since your baiting hasn't produced the desired results.

But it is having some effect.

Look at the number of people you've managed to chase away from Xymph's blog.

In a month or so, you'll be the only one left then it will be time to pollute another site.

grettir said...

What racialist (supposing that that is what you tried to write) spam would that be Rowan?

If you mean the productions of the obsessed 'anonymous', then he only suffers from being a little less intelligent than you, only a little less self-important.

Calm down. Don't jump and make trouble.

Greg Bacon said...

New U.S. Intel Chief: Support of Israel Not a U.S. Interest

by David Lev 02/22/09 (IsraelNN.com)

A flurry of reports over the weekend said that the former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, considered a sharp critic of Israel, is to be named to a top intelligence post in the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama.
Chas W. Freeman Jr., who was U.S. ambassador in Riyadh from 1989-1992, is set to be named chairman of the National Intelligence Council, which has a strong influence on the content of the intelligence briefings presented to the President (and puts together the National Intelligence Estimate, or NIE, which in 2007 dissuaded the Bush regime from attacking Iran). The Council chairman is also often called on to give direct briefings to the President.

Typical of Freeman's viewpoints is a statement he made in a speech before the Washington Institute of Foreign Affairs in 2007, in which he more or less blames international terrorist acts on Israel:

"American identification with Israeli policy has also become total. Those in the region and beyond it who detest Israeli behavior, which is to say almost everyone, now naturally extend their loathing to Americans. This has had the effect of universalizing anti-Americanism, legitimizing radical Islamism, and gaining Iran a foothold among Sunni as well as Shiite Arabs. For its part, Israel no longer even pretends to seek peace with the Palestinians; it strives instead to pacify them. Palestinian retaliation against this policy is as likely to be directed against Israel’s American backers as against Israel itself. Under the circumstances, such retaliation – whatever form it takes – will have the support or at least the sympathy of most people in the region and many outside it. This makes the long-term escalation of terrorism against the United States a certainty, not a matter of conjecture."

Freeman also is a strong advocate of talking to Hamas, which he says "is the only democratically-elected government in the Arab world." In his speech, Freeman said that "Hamas is showing that if we offer it nothing but unreasoning hostility and condemnation, it will only stiffen its position and seek allies among our enemies. In both cases, we forfeit our influence for no gain."

Freeman says that Israel must be pressured to accept the American point of view, which does not coincide with its own. "We must talk with all parties, whatever we think of them or their means of struggle. Refusal to reason with those whose actions threaten injury to oneself, one's friends, and one's interests is foolish, feckless, and self-defeating. That is why it is past time for an active and honest discussion with both Israel and the government Palestinians have elected, which – in an irony that escapes few abroad – is the only democratically-elected government in the Arab world."

In another speech Freeman said:

"We destroyed the Iraqi state and catalyzed anarchy, sectarian violence, terrorism, and civil war in that country... Meanwhile, we embraced Israel’s enemies as our own; they responded by equating Americans with Israelis as their enemies. We abandoned the role of Middle East peacemaker to back Israel’s efforts to pacify its captive and increasingly ghettoized Arab populations. We wring our hands while sitting on them as the Jewish state continues to seize ever more Arab land for its colonists. This has convinced most Palestinians that Israel cannot be appeased and is persuading increasing numbers of them that a two-state solution is infeasible. It threatens Israelis with an unwelcome choice between a democratic society and a Jewish identity for their state. Now the United States has brought the Palestinian experience – of humiliation, dislocation, and death – to millions more in Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel and the United States each have our reasons for what we are doing, but no amount of public diplomacy can persuade the victims of our policies that their suffering is justified, or spin away their anger, or assuage their desire for reprisal and revenge.”


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130066

Christ, what in the hell is Obama thinking?

Doesn't he know he's supposed to run these appointments past the ADL and first get their approval?

Appointing someone who is rational and can see both sides of the ME story?

I imagine the AIAPC Borg collective is a frenzy of activity, trying to find ways to derail Freeman.

If it was some foaming at the mouth Zionist like Bolton or Martin Indyk, Israel's vast MSM propaganda machine would be praising Obama for making an astute and educated pick.

Bill Wade, NH, USA said...

Pretty funny video starring the Reverend Manning (I kinda thought he was in the Clinton camp pre-election times):

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=219482&title=unusual-suspect

lobro said...

anon, if your definition of a jew is anyone who doesn't agree with you 100%, then you are the only non-noahide, non-jew in the world.

which would suit the real ones just fine ... hm

Ken Hoop said...

Anon is of the eric, daryl & judicial inc mold. You flatter him that he has any (positive)..."unifying factor" however,much less Rowan's attributed racialism-- as neither do the others.

Rowan Berkeley said...

it is racist to say "the jew x", the "jew y" all the time. That should be obvious enough to even the pretzel brained.

Fritz said...

The eric, daryl, judicial inc mindset tend to get paranoid, suspecting everyone except themselves to conspire against the rest, while they have uncovered real conspiracies also at one time, and that's not unifying. If I get that right.
Jewish functionaries nowadays claim to be of a "belief-community", though their racial laws in Israel e.g. are meant to unify their people. Probably Jesus had a good definition in Matthew 23 of the Pharisees, although most Jews are not Semites, according to Prof Schlomo Sand, Koester, a.o., but they pretend to be anti-anti-semites.

Fritz said...

The eric, daryl, judicial inc mindset tend to get paranoid, suspecting everyone except themselves to conspire against the rest, while they have uncovered real conspiracies also at one time, and that's not unifying. If I get that right.
Jewish functionaries nowadays claim to be of a "belief-community", though their racial laws in Israel e.g. are meant to unify their people. Probably Jesus had a good definition in Matthew 23 of the Pharisees, although most Jews are not Semites, according to Prof Schlomo Sand, Koester, a.o., but they pretend to be anti-anti-semites.

Fritz said...

sorry accidentaL transmission of data to or from Jkit, blogger com , or -or could it be, this comment appears double to people, who tend to see everything double.

grettir said...

Rowan,

You are a moron.

You write "racist" without the least idea of how to give any significance to the word.

You have great virtue in your industry, none in your judgment.

"Anonymous" is a simpleton, we put up with such on a daily basis. You are a clever simpleton, and far more tedious. Shut the fuck up.

Rowan Berkeley said...

thank you grettir for those profound and incisive analyses.

Hoarsewhisperer said...

lobro said...

Why am i thinking that godsend hasn't been around in a while?
5:59 PM, February 25, 2009


Because he hasn't. I did my best to dissuade the moronic pest from posting here because he represented all the things I find DEEPLY offensive about religious cranks - not least of which was hatred of women and commitment to diminishing their value as human beings.

lobro said...

yeah but i have a sneaking suspicion that he occasionally posts under a different handle, repetitive statements being his stock in trade.

Anonymous said...

that anon guy is really annoying. i think he/she/daisy12/megaphoney is trying to make it appear that xymph is anti-semitic or something. wayy obvious about it too. i read that tactic somewhere...disinformation tactic #4? i forget.

Hoarsewhisperer said...

yeah but i have a sneaking suspicion that he occasionally posts under a different handle

Anything's possible, I suppose.
If your suspicion is correct at least the subject has changed. For someone given to firing off salvos of taunts and insults, GE had a remarkably thin skin and no sense of humour. Repetition aside, I haven't noticed any commenters with GE's attributes resorting to GE's tactics.

Hoarsewhisperer said...

i think he/she/daisy12/megaphoney is trying to make it appear that xymph is anti-semitic or something. wayy obvious about it too.

If so then its wasting its time. Xymphora's comments appear (to me) to be unmoderated. The BIG danger is to bloggers who OBVIOUSLY moderate their comments, or warn that they do, because a case can be made that they may be in breach of their own undertaking.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm no stranger to court proceedings and tactics and I'd LOVE to help Xymph have a Kangaroo Kourt Kase laughed out of court and into the TV News and headlines if the case was based on any unmoderated comment to date.

Believe me, if you can get the judge and gallery laughing, a frame-up can become a devastating AND PERMANENT humiliation for the perps (and prosecutions based on anonymous blog comments can only EVER be frame-ups).

Hoarsewhisperer said...

I predict that it's only a matter of time until a blog hosting outfit is dragged into court for the negative insinuations inherent in arbitrarily shutting down a blog without justifying/explaining it properly. All it will take is a blogger with, or with access to, deep pockets.

Rowan Berkeley said...

The BIG danger is to bloggers who OBVIOUSLY moderate their comments, or warn that they do, because a case can be made that they may be in breach of their own undertaking

Horsy, you just made that up. There is no basis for that statement at all - show me one example in which someone has been penalised for moderating selectively as opposed to not moderating at all.

traducteur said...

before the Jews have to learn how to swim

As a matter of fact, Jewish law stipulates that every father must teach his son to swim. What prescience, eh?

lobro said...

actually, i never found g/e stupid, so much as (maybe intentionally) obnoxious and combative.

disagreeing with just 2% of his statements was an act of war, which is pretty much a jewish tactic as well.

anyway, i didn't mean to chatter behind his back, so i will leave at this ...

and hoarse has a point about moderating, what condemns you are acts of omission rather than commission.

Rowan Berkeley said...

I notice you can't bring any examples either, though.

lobro said...

no, but notice on the other hand the general jewish m/o; as soon as you show any willingness to compromise, any attempts at conciliation or accommodation, they perceive it (rightfully or not) as terminal weakness and redouble their attack, thus, when vatican offers a hand of apology, they turn on the venom, they act doubly insulted, the apology did not go far enough (and never does), it becomes a one way chute headed to ignominy and noahide penance.

the only way to deal with a jew is never yield an iota, play their game to the hilt, fully blame them every time you get "anti-semitic" urges, so that even if holocaust were, by some miracle, partly true, jews should take the full 100% blame for it, we the goys should claim reparations for our wounded souls ... because this is what they do to us, massacre gazans then say that spain was not sufficiently supportive and threaten them with dread "anti-semite" smear, the retribution in form of american war drums beating for regime change.

so, as soon as you start moderating and toss out anonymous, not for reasons of promoting untruth but for promoting "hate speech", you become roadkill of your own vehicle, because by tacit admission, everyone left on the blog, such as me, are legit - as legit as you are, otherwise you would have thrown us out too.

lobro said...

here, a case in point regarding "moderation".

any guesses where this road leads?

Hoarsewhisperer said...

RB, my remarks were intended as a counter to the defeatist Wank on Terror style fear-mongering creeping into the comments. As Paul Craig Roberts wrote recently the War on Terror is a hoax. I'd go further and describe it as a product OF feeble minds FOR feeble minds. This was obvious to people with more than half a brain from the beginning.

I remember watching the early TV coverage of 911 and the host asked a gaggle of airline stewardesses what they were thinking. One of them said without hesitation "I just hope that dumb-ass President of ours doesn't start looking for someone to bomb."

Since that time the people pulling the dumb-ass President's strings have written a parallel, but Podunk, set of laws to legalise torture, kidnapping, extra-judicial murder and detention of suspects, without trial or scrutiny. The new laws are notable for the frequency with which cases based on them founder due to unforeseen collisions with decency, commonsense and immutable legal principles.

I think people who help publicly promote the culture of fear should have their folly exposed in public. Nothing personal, but your 'warnings' to Xymph brand you as one such individual, so I'm not surprised to see you leaping to your own defence.

Rowan Berkeley said...

Lobro, when I use the word 'moderation' I am not referring to having or expressing 'moderate views'. I am referring to the process of 'moderating', i.e. if you like censoring, racist and obscene comments. I am saying, over and over again, that it is cowardly not to do this, and to hide instead behind vacuous liberal cliches about the evils of censorship.

Laurie said...

Bollocks Berkeley. If I make the most slightly off color remark on your blog you pull it. You are just like most jews who really could careless what is said but who says it makes all the difference.

Laurie said...

Volkswagan

traducteur said...

And, of course, we're unfit to evaluate the material ourselves, so some more enlightened person has to do it for us. For our own good, needless to say.

This mindset is laid out most naively and unselfconsciously in Orwell's novel, A Clergyman's Daughter. It's worth reading, if only as a reminder of the contempt in which liberals hold us, the Lumpenproletariat.

Laurie said...

And BTW Berk I spelled Volkswagen wrong for your benefit...so you could keep your slightly superior attitude.

Fritz said...

going to watch the VW-movie later, thanks.
People who use political correct words, won't get 'moderated'. even if it's untrue what they say. And something worse: don't know, a sort of psychological speaking.. like for example "get over it", to "process it" or "work the conflict out" -- if e.g. someone is deeply worried about a situation, and rightly so.. and similar: there is a modern psychologizing language of self-deceit, like double talking, the speaker thinks, with words, he is above, Probably a product of TV, media, that replace the real-- while honest people tell it how it is with a few words, as it was common in the old time.

Rowan Berkeley said...

Is that 'Laurie', as in 'Evie'? I haven't seen you post anything on my blog, have I?

Laurie said...

Good response Rowan, clever. Innocence is so charming.

Laurie said...

Do you think I was born yesterday?

Laurie said...

"...the speaker thinks, with words, he is above.." Interesting Fritz. Would you expand on this a bit?

Fritz said...

I don't get it together at the moment, Laurie, only examples: was thinking: like in the usual movies about the behavior of animals, an unseen speaker telling us all through the film why they behave like this, what they think, in human psychological terms, without respecting that these beings are acting like that for ages, surviving in nature without help. Or that birds may be singing for joy to praise the spirit of life and not only to find a partner for reproducing.
The same with anthropology: the modern scientists observe and put the life of a tribal village in modern categories, without even asking them what they think, feel themselves. So he comes from "above" without being IN the village life.
So accordingly we ourselves take the position of the "explaining expert", psychologist, doctor..,
Another example: modern explanation for dreaming is, the "brain is producing some noise, at best working over again, what has happened while awake,.. when it can be, the person dreaming is in a world, as real as ours. and the explanation with the brain-computer is false. And those celebrated experts, can't explain where consciousness comes from, if reality is produced by a brain- computer.

Fritz said...

no, better probably, they say reality is there, it's only one, and we explain it. The brain with its sensors is perceiving the outside and then deciding.
But phenomenology already stated that the phenomena depend on the perception, almost made by it.
Somehow psychology must fit into the examples, or into better ones, because it is the explanation of modern social life. a sort of explaining it to one self, instead of being inside life.
Worse then, if all that research is directed by profit making mainly or sponsored, as often universities are working today. In the old days, things were regarded christian, or as a whole, or humanistic.. history included the Greeks, the Germanic society.. and so, as valuable and not only as "childish" before the all knowing clever modern technical intelligence.

Fritz said...

and additional, the media, TV, replace real life, so that we think we could watch life without being IN life with all that it means. The older people knew that. And today the world is false.

Laurie said...

Thanks Fritz, I understand what you mean now. Our humanness is being torn from us by our language. According to Marshall McLuhan the printing press i.e. the written word massed produced, greatly aided this process.

Man From Atlan said...

That's a wonderful insight, Fritz. Language can be so imperfect in describing what we feel; if we could see things as cats, or children do. There's a lot to be said for that ol' reptilian brain, and all that intellect we add on later can be to our detriment.

Anonymous said...

Well said Fritz.

Man from S L

Fritz said...

technical intelligence though may be wonderful in making life easier, but it explains only one aspect of it, not the whole. Often they try to propagate this almost leading view today, but a living being with its own consciousness, shouldn't be seen as a machine or computer. Probably the profits for pharmaceutical corporations are behind these attempts.
Yes, may be that the words used and the terminology, already shape the view we learn.

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