Wednesday, August 14, 2013

'Somebody would have talked' versus the NSA facts

"Has anyone mentioned this yet?" by Delicate-Flower (applies to all the big conspiracies where people say 'somebody would have talked'):
"One of the main reasons people say 9/11 could not have been an inside job is because so many people would have needed to be involved that someone would spill the beans.
However lets look at the recent developments with NSA spying on tbe world as an example of just how many people can know something that the rest would label a conspiracy before it is uncovered to be actual truth.
How many companies knew about the NSA spying programs? How many individuals at those companies knew what was happening years ago ... getting close to a decade. Look how long it took for one single individual to step forth and break the news to the rest of us. "News" that a seemingly large amount of people not only knew about but were also helping to facilitate.
And it continues. The Lavabit owner making statements like - to paraphrase - "if the American people knew what I know about email they wouldn't use it." Okay well fucking tell us already! Quit beating around the bush.
Same with the reporter - I forget his name - that has unbelievable info to share ... IN TEN DAYS! What is he waiting for?
I know people are scared and/or complacent but it seems clear now that the idea that someone will always be there to immediately spill the beans is a fantasy.
Hats off to Snowden for doing what hundreds and maybe thousands could have also done but chose otherwise. He is imo a true patriot."
Snowden (I don't know where he gets the idea of recovery):
"After 9/11, many of the most important news outlets in America abdicated their role as a check to power — the journalistic responsibility to challenge the excesses of government — for fear of being seen as unpatriotic and punished in the market during a period of heightened nationalism. From a business perspective, this was the obvious strategy, but what benefited the institutions ended up costing the public dearly. The major outlets are still only beginning to recover from this cold period."
"The adventures of a Libyan weapons dealer in Syria"  "CIA Gun-running, Qatar-Libya-Syria." "Whistleblower Attorney: Benghazi Attack Was About 400 SAM Missiles Stolen by Some ‘Very Ugly People’"  "400 US surface-to-air missiles were 'STOLEN' from Libya during the Benghazi attack and are 'now in the hands of Al Qaeda', claims whistleblower" (keep pounding on this and you just might avoid President Hillary):
"Today diGenova and Toensnig, a former chief counsel for the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, represent Gregory Hicks, the deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya at the time of the Benghazi attacks; and Mark Thompson, a former Marine who serves as Deputy Coordinator for Operations in the State Department's Counterterrorism Bureau.

The attorneys say Hicks' and Thompson's superiors subjected them to an intimidation campaign after then-Secretary Hillary Clinton's Accountability Review Board ignored their accounts of the Benghazi attack.

Toensing told Fox News in April that one of the two men was warned about the impact on his career if he cooperated with Republican investigators in Congress.

'It's frightening, and they're doing some very despicable threats to people,' Toensing said.

'Not "we're going to kill you," or not "we're going to prosecute you tomorrow," but they're taking career people and making them well aware that their careers will be over.'

President Obama has said he is unaware of any witnesses from Benghazi who have been prohibited from working with Congress. Secretary of State John Kerry has attributed such stories to 'an enormous amount of misinformation.'

In a May 30 letter, CIA Director John Brennan told Benghazi-stationed personnel that they were free to speak with Congress, but that they should involve their chain of command and follow specific procedures.

That measure was seen in some circles as a subtle warning that CIA agents must not approach lawmakers on their own.

Renewed interest in Middle Eastern terrorism appeared in Washington last week, as the State Department shuttered 19 embassies across the region, following what the administration said was a credible terrorist threat articulated by someone high in the command structure of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

diGenova said Monday that he knows what that threat may have involved.

The loss of the 400 surface-to-air missiles, he told WMAL's audience, 'is why we shut down the 19 embassies recently.'

'They were afraid that there was going to be a missile attack on one of the embassies. Remember, you can take a shoulder-held missile and shoot it into an embassy. Not just into the sky.'

'That's what this was all about,' he insisted. 'That's why they're so worried. That's why they have lied repeatedly about what happened in Benghazi, because they are now responsible for all of the stepchildren of violence that happens as a result of this. This is a very serious matter.'"

"White House Changing Its Story On James Clapper's Role In Independent Surveillance Review"   More lies, but at least somebody in the White House is concerned about the perception that appointing one of the guys most responsible for the problem to investigate himself and then report secretly to a President who loves the NSA exactly as it is may not be the best procedure.  Not that they intend to actually change the procedure.

"Spies for Europe."  France, with its own intelligence sources, didn't have to rely on the lies fed to it by the Americans on Iraq.

"The Blip" It is comforting, as your politicians make increasingly and consistently dumb decisions, to regard your accelerating decline as inevitable.
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